An Interview With Nikki Young, Author Of “The Paleo Cookbooks”
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In recent months, we’ve brought you a couple of Nikki Young’s recipes: Fish And Vegetable Curry and Mince Kebabs with Satay Sauce. Today, we have a short interview with the author of The Paleo Cookbooks, along with another awesome recipe.
What is your health and fitness philosophy? What made you adopt a Paleo lifestyle?
I came across CrossFit, Ross Enamait and Zach Evan Esh sometime back in 2005 and really enjoyed their style of training and believed in the methods and concepts and have since incorporated that training style into my own programs. I have trained with isometric exercises before, but in further educating myself began to lean towards the effectiveness and benefits of functional movements and the health & weight loss benefits associated with high intensity training.
Incorporating this method of training didn’t go down to well with some of the other personal trainers in gyms I worked in. On one occasion, I was yelled at for about 10 minutes because I expressed my views about putting clients on a smith machine to do squats – that same trainer didn’t even say hi to me for the rest of my time working there. Haha!
I have always had an interest in nutrition, even more so now that I have educated myself on the importance of nutrition for good health. I first heard of the Paleo Diet when jumping on the CrossFit forums and I began following it almost straight away.
When you began cleaning up your eating, did you notice immediate performance improvements?
When I started following a paleo diet I also changed up my training, so I noticed the benefits of both the nutrition and the exercise simultaneously. Definitely during the first few months I felt fantastic, my energy had increased and I could feel my fitness improving dramatically. I put a lot of those improvements down to the way I was eating, as I never felt those kinds of improvements in my energy and training when previously following a fairly un-healthy diet and training hard.
Tell us a bit about your background…sports you play/played, how long you’ve been training, the various training programs you’ve used, etc
I’ve always enjoyed training and participating in sports. From a young age I was really good at swimming and had a keen interest in trying out every sport I could. In primary school I loved tennis and trained often, I won a few tournaments and began training with more advanced players but my interest sparked for soccer when I started high-school, so I joined a local club with a few friends. Around a year later I was selected to play State soccer.
I really enjoy mountain bike riding and ride regularly. My interest in conditioning and general fitness training came when I began researching more into the fitness industry and came across CrossFit and the trainers mentioned above. My fitness program changes depending on how I’m feeling and what I feel like doing, currently I’m training with Kettlebells and mountain bike riding – but next week I may just want to run, do max lifts or follow some CrossFit WOD’s.
How did you come to be a “Paleo Chef”? Have you always enjoyed cooking?
I have always enjoyed cooking, my parents and grandparents taught me how to cook at a young age and I thank them for that. I probably started cooking Paleo meals when my Mum found out she was allergic to many non-Paleo foods, including gluten (cutting out most grains) and dairy. I have always had an interest in nutrition and when I first came across the Paleo diet I could immediately see how it would support a healthy lifestyle. I then began to focus on cooking meals which where 100% Paleo friendly and altering meals to only contain Paleo ingredients – which didn’t always work out.
When educating my clients on the Paleo diet they would always say something like “but what can I eat if I can’t eat grains??”. So I started to put recipes together for my clients to help them with ideas – these recipes plus a bunch more have formed into the Paleo Cookbooks.
I’m a firm believer that eating right 90% of the time and enjoying yourself with some smart indulgences the other 10% of the time is the best way to put together a healthy life that still allows some leeway. How do you feel about this and what are your indulgences?
Most definitely. I feel if you tell yourself you “can’t” have something you will want it even more. So if you start following a paleo diet and tell yourself you will never again have a chocolate biscuit then you will probably crave them more then you ever have before. Sometimes cheating can make you realise how good you really feel when eating healthy, especially if you over-induldge.
My favorite non-paleo meal would definitely be a vegetarian laksa followed by chocolate. When you think about it, 10% of your diet doesn’t equate to that many cheat meals. If eating three meals a day with 10% leniency, then only around two-three meals out of twenty one will be cheat meals.
I’m going to put you on the spot here…how would you rank order the non-Paleo foods in terms of best to worst?
Anything that is highly processed and contains little to no nutritional value will jump straight to the top of the list as the worst foods: sweets, chips, desserts, breads, pasta and most supermarket milk that isn’t raw and is highly processed.
Canned vegetables are often not thought of as paleo due to the added preservatives, added sodium and the loss of nutritional intensity. I would put these around the middle of the rank for ‘non-paleo’ foods. If rinsed well they are better than not eating any vegetables at all. I would also put foods such as nut bars, or fruit and nut mixes which are around 70/30(ish) paleo /non-paleo ingredients around the middle of the rank. Nut bars for instance will contain lots of nuts but will also contain sugar and other ingredients to help bind and add additional flavour.
Probably at the bottom of the rank and the most acceptable would be foods which are controversial as being a paleo food or not. Sweet potato for instance isn’t 100% paleo due to needing to be cooked to be edible, however they still contain nutritional value even if the GI is quite high. Bacon is meat, yet will hold a lot of added sodium so is avoided by many ’strict’ paleo dieters. Goat’s cheese and goat’s milk is generally not as highly processed as other dairy sources, but I believe dairy can be beneficial to good health if the produce is from a healthy animal and not highly processed.
I would also mention the fermentation of non-paleo ingredients. Probiotics which are formed through the fermentation of some form of grain or soy will hold a lot of beneficial nutrition while the negative nutritional attributes are significantly reduced.
You’re short on time and need to get in a quick, but healthy meal. What’s your fall-back plan?
I would usually get some nuts. Just because they can be found almost anywhere. My first option would be some fruit but if that’s not available I will buy some nuts / nut bar and drink lots of water. I try not to put myself into a situation where I don’t have food on hand or access to something when it’s meal time.
What did you have for breakfast today?
I will pretty much always have 3 eggs for breakfast, supplemented with two JP+ vegetable capsules and three fish oil/CLO capsules. To break things up, I will sometimes have left over dinner for breakfast, which is usually something like chicken or mince patties with vegetables.
What’s your favorite recipe?
Hard question… I have a lot of favorite recipes, my main ones though would probably be: eggs with salt, fried dry, no oil (that’s not really a recipe… I think I just love eggs), chicken curries, bolognese (mince) and red cabbage salad.
And finally, do you have any quick tips for people wanting to lose weight or adopting a Paleo-style diet?
Probably the two most important factors when dedicating yourself to following a diet / exercise program is mental strength and education.
Following the paleo diet isn’t the hardest nutritional program you will ever follow, but if your mental determination to succeed drops then you will find yourself ‘cheating’ with bad foods early on as soon as you get a craving or fall into an emotional state. Even if it is one meal, it can ultimately make it harder to continue with the diet, especially if you feel you can’t even stick to it for a week.
Depending on your diet prior to deciding to go paleo, the first few weeks can be the toughest. If you can fight through the sugar cravings and plan your meals every day then you are going to do really well. After the first few weeks you will feel fantastic and eating high-sugar, low nutritional foods will make you feel horrible.
When it comes to education, the more you know about good nutrition, exercise and living a healthy lifestyle the easier it will be to achieve and maintain. Mainly because you actually know what you are doing and you can do it right.
I recommend reading books and articles recommended from a reputable person/source initially; only because there are thousands of books on nutrition out there which recommend eating a very un-healthy diet, i.e. the fruit diet. The worst thing you can do is educate yourself on eating a diet which is un-healthy and believing it because you don’t know any better.
There are so many good books out there which really make you think about how you are living your life. I would recommend anyone wanting to achieve optimal health to read the book ‘Never be Sick Again’ by Raymond Francis and Kester Cotton and also talking with people you trust in the industry to pass on some solid reading recommendations.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions, Nikki!
Pumpkin And Chicken Curry Recipe
Here’s a new recipe from Nikki, perfect for the fall weather that’s hitting many parts of the northern hemisphere. Try this Pumpkin And Chicken Curry and pass the recipe along to your friends and family. It’s good fall eatin’.
If you’re looking for new ideas in the kitchen, be sure to check out Nikki’s cookbook, The Paleo Cookbooks.
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Cool interview, its always great to get into more detail about specific people and interviews are great for that. I liked Nikki’s view on what she does with fitness:
” My fitness program changes depending on how I’m feeling and what I feel like doing, currently I’m training with Kettlebells and mountain bike riding – but next week I may just want to run, do max lifts or follow some CrossFit WOD’s.”
Its pretty awesome and inspiring to see someone so dialled in with having fun, enjoying exercise and eating well!
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The recipe doesn’t say when to add the pumpkin.
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Chris, I agree…I like that she keeps it fun and uses a lot of different tools.
Wayne, working on getting an updated copy of the recipe. I’ll post it as soon as I get it. Sorry about that.
Cheers
Scott
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“I’m a firm believer that eating right 90% of the time and enjoying yourself with some smart indulgences the other 10% of the time is the best way to put together a healthy life that still allows some leeway.”
I agree with that. No need to be a food nazi
Cool interview guys! Stumbled!
Cheers,
Yavor
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Dairy causes autoimmune diseases and goat cheese/milk is as bad as cow products.
Probiotics are a joke and fermentation of grain or soy hold no beneficial nutrition.
Sounds much more like the Primal Blueprint (partial paleo) diet.
It’s a pity the recipe books are only partially paleo. I would love to see one that is actually true paleo.
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Mike OD Reply:
Bob – Please feel free to provide any scientific details to backup your claims on the autoimmune factors of goat milk vs cow milk, as well as the ineffectiveness of probiotics in one’s diet…..otherwise just ranting doesn’t sway too many minds around here and contributes nothing positive for any reader. Thanks.
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Bob, still ranting about the Paleo Cookbooks, eh? I agree with you in some respects and disagree with you in several others. I’m not a big fan of grains or soy, fermented or not, though as Nikki points out, you could do much worse from a nutritional perspective. As for probiotics, I’ve seen firsthand what value probiotics bring to the diet. I know someone that went from incredibly sick, couldn’t even eat, losing 20 lbs, to better with just the addition of probiotic supplements. When she thought she was better and quit taking them, the stomach issues came back.
As for dairy, there are a total of 4 non-Paleo recipes in the book (as I’ve pointed out to you before, if you actually return to read responses), so I really think you’re splitting hairs. Especially since raw dairy is a fine addition to the diet.
Cheers
Scott
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Wayne, you add pumpkin in step #2.
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Oh yeah, I meant to mention that I replaced the file that didn’t mention when to add pumpkin with the new one from Nikki. All should be good with the linked recipe now.
Cheers
Scott
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Cool interview.
I’m always on the hunt for fresh and healthy recipes so will be looking you up in the future. Thanks!
Mike
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Bob, even the most dedicated person following a paleo diet wouldn’t go around blogs posting random and useless one-line comments which are more than not repetitive (yes I’ve read more than a few comments from you) in trying to show in some-way that you follow the strictest paleo diet possible and anyone who is even slightly lenient in food choices is a hypocrite.
Seriously, get a life, your posts are annoying me as I’m sure they are others who are actually wanting to learn and who are acting upon information learnt from this site and others to achieve good health.
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The paleo diet is what paleo man ate. Paleo man did not eat dairy, it’s pretty much the definition of paleo. Dairy is not a ‘fine addition’ to paleo. That’s called Atkins.
Pre neolithic foods also include olive oil, soy sauce, peas, mayonnaise, paprika, tomato, cayenne pepper, honey, flaxseed, protein powder, chilli, tomato pasta sauce, capsicum, maple syrup, arrowroot, butter, chocolate, millet flour and goats cheese.
People who say that neolithic ingredients are paleo are just misleading everyone (for those that honestly want to learn). If you want to eat those ingredients then do so, but they are not paleo.
Cordain nicely explains the dairy – MS link on the Profound Paths website interview:
http://www.guidedcds.com/seminarinfo
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Funny you’d mention Cordain, Bob. He also promotes lean meats (something Paleo man wouldn’t have gone for) and canola oil and/or olive oil (obviously not “Paleo”). Oh, and his newsletter regularly includes tomatoes in the recipes.
Looks like you’re more of a zealot than even the creator of The Paleo Diet is.
Cheers
Scott
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Yeah Cordain can make some improvements. He did write his book in the age of fat phobia and may have made allowances for people to make life easier. I don’t agree with him on the points you mentioned.
Neanderthin is a much better paleo starters book.
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Nobody owns the Paleo diet and Cordain is certainly not the sole authority on the subject. As Nora Gedgaudas (another paleo book author) states, there have been over 20,000 papers written on the subject.
Here’s an interview with her:
http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/982/get-primally-healthy-with-nora-gedgaudas-episode-295/
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Good book. I did a recent review of it myself and couldn’t find any major flaws, just one or two smaller ones. On the whole, I recommend it.
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Hey Martin, I saw your review and agree with it. Great stuff!
Cheers
Scott
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Hi Bob, I wish not to cause an argument but I do disagree with a lot of what you are saying about me and also about the Paleo Cookbooks. I wish only to clear the air a bit with this response.
I agree dairy isn’t a paleo ingredient, additionally soy sauce. I don’t use any dairy within the Paleo Cookbooks, I have used soy sauce in maybe two recipes however have ensured to point this out to make sure people wishing to follow a strict paleo diet know.
I have never stated dairy is a paleolithic ingredient, I have, and will say that I believe dairy can be beneficial to health when it is sourced from the right animal without too much processing involved. I also can’t recall a time I have ever stated protein powder is paleo friendly either – in-fact I have only ever stated the opposite. Mayonnaise isn’t paleo when bought from the shops, but the ingredients used to make mayonnaise (oil and eggs) are both paleo friendly.
I disagree with other foods you listed, honey is made from bees, I don’t see how this isn’t a food source that was available in the paleolithic times. In-fact it was, and still is, a major food source to for the aboriginal people who live off the land. Although it is not the most favorable food source (being a high source of carbohydrates and sugars) that doesn’t mean it’s not a natural food source.
I won’t go through all the foods you listed. I do believe the paleo diet has foods which are controversial as to wether they fit into the paleo diet, so I can understand and respect your concern with some food sources.
If one was to mimic the paleo diet 100%, then the foods consumed would need to be based 100% on what is available on the land they are on, and the quantity/amount of food consumed would be based on the season and the environment.
The Paleo Cookbooks are for the modern-day person who would like to follow a paleo diet as closely as possible, eating foods which are provided by nature. I doubt highly the paleo man/women would have ever made a salad combining lettuce, cucumber and carrot, nor would they have combined meat with zucchini to make zucchini meat balls, but the modern-day person wishing to eat paleolithic foods will generally be lenient enough with their approach to combine paleo friendly food sources to create a meal.
PS. Thanks for all the feedback on the guest-post I’m glad people enjoyed the read
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I made this recipe last night, the whole family loved it. Thanks for sharing I will certainly be making it again!
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